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Jeff Carter
11-10-2008, 15:14
Hello my friends - I thought it was about time i got going on my new car,

- I want to be the first British guy to have a crack at Formula off road -

It's being built with Formula in my mind - but if i'm rubbish at it or scare
myself half to death !! then it can go back to a pro-mod car after .

Made a start with a 3" tube chassis bent up to make the car a low as possible

Blesvik
11-10-2008, 15:31
This will be fun to follow Jeff!:smile:
Keep up posting pics!!

Tommy
11-10-2008, 17:06
I dont think Formula will scare you M8.... I have seen you drive hills before...

Looks good, keep on posting

KHD
11-10-2008, 17:21
We have been waiting for this.
Please tell us about the project - engine, axles, tranny, springs/shocks etc..(It will be a Landy I suppose?)
Ready spring 2009?
POST PICS

Amund
11-10-2008, 17:36
You really took the term 'tube frame' quite literally! :eyemouth:

Really excited to see what this turns into, keep us posted! :smokin:

bjopau
11-10-2008, 18:00
Looks like a salisbury front axle fram a early Land Rover 110 hcpu.

KJELLIS
11-11-2008, 01:19
Have you all parts to get the car ready Jeff??:beer:

Jeff Carter
11-11-2008, 09:16
Yes your right its going to be a landrover with salisbury front and rear but with good bits inside :smokin:

Kjellis - i have most of it but still need to buy air shoxs and bumps and paddle tyres and a good seat - maybe a nitrous kit

Some of our top racing 4x4's in England use this type of chassis so i hope it will work for me - its about the same weight as the old range rover chassis- but without the rust - ha ha

Jeff Carter
11-11-2008, 09:55
I bought a TH400 auto that was an ex-drag racing box and i have just converted it to run with a landrover lt230 tranfer case , and the prop runs real close to the autobox but this is normal in this conversion and should be okay. a few more pictures :smile:

trmv8427
11-11-2008, 19:20
Looking good!! That prop does look cozy close to trans break and cooler pipes!!! Still got your old car, might it be upfore sale soon???

Jare
11-11-2008, 19:41
Nice Jeff

So you finally started the project. Are you aiming to Modified or Unlimited class??

And yes you will need nitrous unless your engine has some really cool parts in it.

What sort of wheelbase you are planning to have?


OFFTOPIC: Who in UK sells disc brake kits for Volvo portal axles?

Jeff Carter
11-12-2008, 09:14
Tim - keeping old car for now to use in Germany ( Eurotrial ) but may sell after to fund this new one .

Jare - hello mate - I plan just to have a go in the modified class and depends on money how many good bits go in my engine :smile: but theres a bit of a pile so far , all that stuff on my bonnet of my old car are the bits to the engine - thanks to Tim
The length is 100 inch same as a range rover but i swop props to push front axle forward and so the engine can go lower .

As for volvo brake conversion - theres knowone now as far as i know !! the guy who done my old axles has gone out of buisness.
The only ones i know are portaltec and omt in germany.

Also can anyone show me a link to the formula safety/driving regs in english ?

And a WARNING to all when making a new car put safety glasses on :smile:
as i just been all morning up the hospital having metal removed from my eyes :laughing: us old boys never learn :laughing::laughing:

Åsa-nisse
11-12-2008, 10:00
Also can anyone show me a link to the formula safety/driving regs in english ?



I have send you a mail Jeff.

Jeff Carter
11-12-2008, 17:01
Thankyou Jonas - got them now

trmv8427
11-12-2008, 22:40
Did then give you a big patch ovr your eye and send you home??? :smile::smile:

Jeff Carter
11-13-2008, 09:58
Ha Ha ha - no because driving would have been fun with one eye Thefinger

Jeff Carter
11-13-2008, 13:45
Done a bit more - engine and gearbox mounted with the axles in place and out riggers for the roll cage - need to get my seat now to see where to go with the cage !! as you know me we like it low :smile:

Jeff Carter
11-17-2008, 14:48
done a bit more - got some 50mm cds tubing and a kirkey seat :smile:

Just got to put it all together now !!

Jare
11-19-2008, 19:33
Are you plannig to drive the buggy from the left side? Ain't that a bit strange for you?

Jeff Carter
11-20-2008, 09:12
Mmmmm - not sure yet - there is more room on the left plus the prop shaft is not under my leg !! so maybe yes - and yes will be real strange to drive on that side , but will give me an excuse if i'm rubbish !!

Jeff Carter
11-20-2008, 14:59
going to be a real low rider :smokin:

Jeff Carter
11-27-2008, 17:03
got a bit more done - the rear cage is now welded in it's looking a bit more like a truck now :smile:

Hilux
11-27-2008, 21:59
Sweet Jeff, looking good:beer:

You got some really nice bends around the "window frame". Looking forward to see moore of it done..

Jeff Carter
12-01-2008, 14:47
Thats the cage best part done :smile: will put door bars in after i've done the inside - to make things easy.

Starting to shape up now - a landy in the making :shaking: :shaking:

and its going to be left hand drive ????? thats going to be fun ------- not

If there's any scrutineers - looking in please comment if you see something wrong or if if needs a brace or whatever - thanks

but there is one more brace to go in the rear hoop by the outriggers - each side.

Amund
12-01-2008, 18:59
Looking good Jeff. I want to see something to keep the cage from folding down over the frame in case you land hard on the lid - how about a tube from outer lower corner of A-pillars (down by the floor) meeting in a triangle in the middle of the dashboard bar, then running one tube straight up to the roof from there? In the back it looks like the cross will take care of everything.

Jeff Carter
12-02-2008, 08:55
Hi Amund - yes i agree with you but theres got to be room for my feet and pedals - so this does restict where my braces go !!

I was thinking something like this

Amund
12-02-2008, 19:41
Got a few ideas:

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31933

PS. Don't shoot the messenger. This is just the late Mr. Isaac Newton talking through me! :idea:

Tommy
12-02-2008, 19:44
munds latest picture shows the best solution...

Amund
12-02-2008, 19:44
OK just one more, sorry. I think this one is my favourite so far, if there's room around the gearbox that is. Should give you plenty of space for the footwork.

Jeff Carter
12-03-2008, 09:02
Wow Amund - you have thought of this , the red and yellow ones don't allow room for feet and pedals as they will go under the front hoop - and the blue is good for the feet but only holds up the middle of the front hoop .

my design - I think gives more strength to the outriggers ??

The doors bars will be added last - so i can work on the inside without climbing over them all the time .

and the blue rear bars you added look good - boy all this going to add some weight -

Anymore ?

Jeff Carter
12-03-2008, 09:50
You have got me thinking about this now :idea:

Amund
12-03-2008, 10:41
Remember that a straight tube meeting another straight tube (or end of a triangle) is much stronger than a tube welded 90 degrees to another... so my blue idea will be stronger than your last one... also much easier to build :smile:

Actually, to be 100% sure I would use my blue sketch and then add my yellow sketch, that way the cage can take a real beating, both on the corners and also the middle of the roof, to my understanding. Anyway, these are just ideas, let's see what the other lads think.

Jeff Carter
12-05-2008, 14:49
The front of the car is coming along nice now :smile:

good old landys :smokin:

trmv8427
12-05-2008, 21:00
My 10p's worth :grinpimp:

Blesvik
12-05-2008, 22:52
X2

SnoopMaxx
12-06-2008, 20:29
Looks good Jeff :beer:

I may have to borrow a few of your tube ideas :smile:
for my next tube build
http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z198/SnoopMaxx/MidgardRocket6.jpg

http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z198/SnoopMaxx/MidgardFoff.jpg

http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z198/SnoopMaxx/HPIM2237.jpg

Wikingen
12-07-2008, 01:46
Something like this should distribute the forces equally throughout the chassis....

Regards

Jeff Carter
12-07-2008, 08:34
It's looking more like a jigsaw puzzle :smile: but some great ideas thanks.

love your little rc buggy

KJELLIS
12-10-2008, 23:55
Hi nice work Jeff. you are ready soon. And ofcourse a landrover:smile::smile:

Jeff Carter
12-11-2008, 09:15
No way - got a long way to go yet - maybe next November ha ha

Tommy
12-13-2008, 19:46
Your old car... what is happening with that?
still on wheels??
Plans??

Jeff Carter
12-15-2008, 10:39
Hello Tommy mate - The old car as you can see in the background of my workshop is sat there without it's portals !! i have sold them and now my car is back on standard rover axles !!!!

But we are looking into buying a new car for Eurotrials and we will see it at the end of this week :smile:

So my old car will be for-sale if we buy this new one and they cash will be put towards my new project build.

Jeff Carter
12-22-2008, 16:50
More brace's in the front hoop to support the middle and one in the rear - and done a bit of the rear panels - while i wait for the next parcel of goodies to come from the usa.

And yes we got our new car -

.

Jare
12-29-2008, 21:03
More brace's in the front hoop to support the middle and one in the rear - and done a bit of the rear panels - while i wait for the next parcel of goodies to come from the usa.

And yes we got our new car -

.
Pictures of the new car????
Any technical info??

You have been busy at your garage.....makes me feel lazy, since I haven't done a shit for my race cars for ages:(


Keep the pictures coming:smokin:

Jeff Carter
12-30-2008, 09:36
Just ordered my new air shox - the larger 2.5 fox 12" for front and 14" for rear , do any you guys run these ? or do you use 2.0 ones -
these will be the first 2.5's in England ?
As for spec on it Jare well mate - its a LS1 stripped ready for a few blingy bits and i think a sniff of nitrous might be good.
I was going to run a supercharger on it but funds will not allow this just yet !!

no idea about the rest so i will make it up as i go along Thefinger

As for the new car well - you will all have to wait till Eurotrial !!!!!!!!!

Blesvik
12-30-2008, 10:08
Looks great Jeff!!


As for spec on it Jare well mate - its a LS1 stripped ready for a few blingy bits and i think a sniff of nitrous might be good.
I was going to run a supercharger on it but funds will not allow this just yet !!


It will run like hell with the LS1:smokin:

Jeff Carter
01-20-2009, 16:47
Got home to a big box left at my door - my new shox's have come thanks Tim at TRM - my god there huge :eyemouth:

I got the 2.5 pro-series air shoxs - 2 x 12" for front and 2 x 14" rear

It's not so cold here now so will go out and get on with it a bit more :smile:

My old yellow Rizla car is going up for sale in the next few weeks to help pay for this new build - think i need to get me a sponser - or a rich widow

:smile:

Blesvik
01-20-2009, 18:05
Nice!!:smokin:

trmv8427
01-20-2009, 20:54
Glad to be of assistance, hope they will do the job bud??? :smokin:

Hilux
01-20-2009, 22:19
Nice Jeff, looking forward to see it done :beer:

Geir
01-21-2009, 09:03
Got home to a big box left at my door - my new shox's have come thanks Tim at TRM - my god there huge :eyemouth:

I got the 2.5 pro-series air shoxs - 2 x 12" for front and 2 x 14" rear

It's not so cold here now so will go out and get on with it a bit more :smile:

My old yellow Rizla car is going up for sale in the next few weeks to help pay for this new build - think i need to get me a sponser - or a rich widow

:smile:

Please let me know if you find two Thefinger

Your rig looks good btw - lookin' forward to see it run for the hills :beer:

KJELLIS
05-24-2009, 23:31
Hi Jeff, Any new update soon or..?:smile:

Tommy
06-30-2009, 20:28
Jepp Jeff... show us some new pics!!!!

Jeff Carter
06-30-2009, 21:13
Maybe :smile:

Jeff Carter
06-30-2009, 21:51
Okay a bit of an up date -

I made this thing for spinning the wheel to make it easy to cut/weld /balance - works a treat :smile:

I made all the wheels cutting up 2 sets of rims - now i have 4 x 18" rims but add a inch for when i weld on the beadlocks.

Jeff Carter
06-30-2009, 21:56
Welded in a few extra bars and made the pedalbox and the footwells and got a posh new Kirkey seat

Jeff Carter
06-30-2009, 22:03
Also got the front Air shox hoops welded in and the shox in place and a summit racing fuel cell - all for now

And the new padla trax have just arrived in England - just got to pick them up :smile:

supersvein
06-30-2009, 22:05
This will be an interesting concept...
Co-driver operating the pedals !!?ThefingerThefinger

Blesvik
06-30-2009, 22:54
Great work Jeff!!!

Åsa-nisse
07-01-2009, 06:52
Hello Jeff.

When i look at this picture i wonder which distance do you have between the rollcage and the center of the seat?

http://pirate4x4.no/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=42821&stc=1&d=1246395310

Here are the text in the rules:

"Minimum distance from center of driver seat to outer edge of rollcage is 40cm. (measured at shoulder height)"

Jeff Carter
07-01-2009, 08:56
Hello Jeff.

When i look at this picture i wonder which distance do you have between the rollcage and the center of the seat?

http://pirate4x4.no/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=42821&stc=1&d=1246395310

Here are the text in the rules:

"Minimum distance from center of driver seat to outer edge of rollcage is 40cm. (measured at shoulder height)"

Okay i will get my tape out and check this - Thanks for your input it could save a lot of work after - :smile:

Jeff Carter
07-01-2009, 15:17
Jonas - The rules you sent me say nothing about this 40mm rule ? is it a new one ?

And by the way mine is 30mm :( I could maybe squeeze it over another 5mm but no chance with 10 ? also then all pedals will be wrong :(

I think i may lock the workshop up and give up for a while :(

Geir
07-01-2009, 16:25
Modified
6.5
"...For kjøretøy lisensiert etter 01.01.2006 skal minste utvendige bredde på hovedbøylen være 100 cm, førerstolen skal også være plassert slik at det, målt i skulderhøyde, er minimum 40 cm fra senter av stolen til hovedbøylen (målt utvendig)."


Unlimited
6.5 Veltebur
"....For kjøretøy lisensiert etter 01.01.2006 skal minste utvendige bredde på hovedbøylen være100 cm, førerstolen skal også være plassert slik at det, målt i skulderhøyde, er minimum 40 cm fra senter av stolen til hovedbøylen (målt utvendig).Se vedlegg B til teknisk reglement for Offroad Racing for ytterligere detaljer.

for cars licensed after 01.01.2006 :
driver seat shall be at least 40cm from center to main rollbar ( measured outside the tube/bar to center seat , shoulder-hight)

skogsvild
07-01-2009, 18:42
Too bad

Åsa-nisse
07-02-2009, 06:55
Jonas - The rules you sent me say nothing about this 40mm rule ? is it a new one ?

And by the way mine is 30mm :( I could maybe squeeze it over another 5mm but no chance with 10 ? also then all pedals will be wrong :(

I think i may lock the workshop up and give up for a while :(

What was the rules i send too you from? I think they was from 2008 and the text are placed in "Appendix B"

For vehicles licensed after 01-01-2006:
1. Minimum size of roofplate is 0,75 m2
2. Minimum width of rollcage is 100cm.
3. Minimum distance from center of driver seat to outer edge of rollcage is 40cm.
4. Tube connecting left and right side of main rollbar mounted as low as possible in the chassis.
6. Tubes connecting front and rear rollbar. Preferred location is as low as possible in front bar and mid height in the main rollbar.

I hope you soon are "on the road again".

Jeff Carter
07-02-2009, 08:56
Yes your right - i just found it in appendix b :question:

There's a whole load of rules written called "drivers seat" which is what i read

My fault i should have read all the rules not just the modified page :(

Geir
07-02-2009, 09:36
to bad Jeff , Im sure you'll solve the issues and keep on building
- gonna be a nice rig :smile:

Jeff Carter
07-27-2009, 15:02
Well - My car for sure is now not to be a right hand drive as there's no room to move the seat over - I chopped out the pedals and the left side footwell and bought another Kirkey seat to see if i can make it left hand drive ?

But it's not looking good for this frame now - yes the seat will move over to 40cm rule but it then give me far more problems with pedals ,headers , servo and it's looking very much like this frames is useless and i may have to start all over :shaking: making a wider one

Geir
07-27-2009, 15:24
if you need some inspiration , i might think this will do :grinpimp:

Geir
07-27-2009, 15:27
i may have to start all over :shaking: making a wider one


if you cut and make the frame wider , its just the rollcage that has be done again , right ? and engine/suspension mounts -> the other tubes/frame can be cut ,fixed and welded again ?
- this is goin to be a nice rig at the end :beer:

sven
07-27-2009, 23:54
is it room for some stuff over the pedals? if so, cant you extend the pedalover the pivot point, and fit the master brake cylinder facing the other way? then everything in front of the firewall will be unaffected by the brakes...

if you dont have room for a brakeservo as I see you want to use now you can use two wilwood masters as they use on rallycars...

I will add a simple drawing over what I mean... my technical english really sucks:)

sven
07-28-2009, 00:06
like this

sven
07-28-2009, 00:13
or with masters as a rallycar it will look like this....

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a118/windy_/pedalbox11.jpg

easy to stash away under the dash:) pumps are £40 at burtonpower

Jeff Carter
07-28-2009, 09:37
Thanks Sven thats a very clever idea :idea: with the servo the other way round it might work - i will have another look at it

And Geir with the picture do i steer with my knees :laughing::laughing:

sven
07-28-2009, 13:03
great:)
hope you can make it fit.... too bad if you have to cut the whole frame and cage apart for a few inches

Jeff Carter
08-24-2009, 20:23
Got my new rubber mounted today :smokin:


I chopped out the pedals on the right side of the car and also cut all the footwells out on both sides and will start again - as a left hand drive :(

I can get the seat 40cm away from the outside of the cage and i can also get the 10cm height rule from the top of cage to the helmet - just gotta sort them dam pedals now.

Blesvik
08-24-2009, 20:58
Good work Jeff!
Great to see that you got the spirit back!

mr julius
08-24-2009, 21:14
good

Jeff Carter
10-30-2009, 09:26
As i said on facebook - i have giving up trying to get these pedals and seat in the right place for the rules, and have set too with the big grinder on the car - will have to start again ?

Tommy
10-30-2009, 20:23
Sad Story Jeff... nice with some tires thoug....

Keep us posted with pics...

Jeff Carter
10-31-2009, 09:35
Bob is now having whats left of this frame to make a pro-mod car - it's a shame that for 10cm the whole frame is no good for formula :(

Hope you all have a good race and party at Gjerstad sadly i can't be there.

Åsa-nisse
10-31-2009, 10:14
Couldn´t yot change the mainly rollbar to a wider one and place it outside the body?

Matt
10-31-2009, 10:17
Bob is now having whats left of this frame to make a pro-mod car - it's a shame that for 10cm the whole frame is no good for formula :(

Hope you all have a good race and party at Gjerstad sadly i can't be there.


Hi,

fuck,(we)was really hoping to see you there:beer:.
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Jeff Carter
10-31-2009, 17:03
Couldn´t yot change the mainly rollbar to a wider one and place it outside the body?

Well no - because all the other bars have to meet the main rear roll hoop ? unless i put a second whole cage over this one it would not be legal.

It took a years work to get this far - and my grinder has just chopped up a least 6 months of that work - so i should get the next new one done in 2011 :laughing::laughing::laughing::laughing:

I've not seen that video - ha ha full of action that one ??? ha ha ha

Matt
11-01-2009, 12:22
I've not seen that video - ha ha full of action that one ??? ha ha ha


Aktion

you want me to come out with one of these LANDROVER Jokes, forget it, i think you know them all:smile:

and a totaly respect peoples passions( ...if they are peacefull...)

Hilsen

Icepony
11-01-2009, 13:30
Hi Jeff
Don´t tell my that you have choped the buggy down.
If ther are space fore two seats ,there has to by room fore one race driver

Óli Bjöss.
Iceland

Jeff Carter
11-01-2009, 17:10
Yes i have chopped a lot of the car now !! as i couldn't get a good driving position - The pedals were the problem - the car now will go to be a pro-mod for Eurotrial and i will start allover again, but this time i will use a range rover chassis to save time.

Thanks for asking :smile::smile:

KJELLIS
11-01-2009, 17:54
Hmm you can sitt on the left side Jeff, not a big deal or:smile:

Tommy
01-01-2010, 21:47
:smokin::smokin:Is anything happening with your new car Jeff... :smokin::smokin:

Jeff Carter
01-02-2010, 10:03
Yes Tommy - The frame has now been given to Bob and will be now a Pro-mod car - but i still have to build it for him :laughing: hope to have done by march and yes we will test it before we come to Sweden Thefinger

I will post some pictures soon

HAPPY NEW YEAR TO YOU ALL :smile:

tjd
01-02-2010, 10:35
Good ! We locking forward to se the new car, and the knights from England in Sweden.

Jeff Carter
02-05-2010, 14:05
Bit of an update of the car :smile: hope to have it ready soon ?

Out came the LS1 chevy and TH400 and in goes a Rover 4.2 chipped RPI V8 and a 4 speed Ashcroft autobox - ARB's with 24 spline Ashcroft shafts and 37" maxxis tyres :smokin: still going to use my 2.5 airshoxs as i wanna see if there good for trials as well as speed events .

Blesvik
02-05-2010, 14:14
Out came the LS1 chevy and TH400 and in goes a Rover 4.2 chipped RPI V8 and a 4 speed Ashcroft autobox
Why?

bjopau
02-05-2010, 14:26
It looks really nice.
Are you going to use the rover axles? not the salisbury`s?
What kind of offroad will it be used for?

Jeff Carter
02-05-2010, 14:48
The car will be a pro-mod trial car and the LS1/ th400 and paddles and axles were all taken off to oneday they may get used for a Formula car ??

Jeff Carter
05-15-2010, 17:12
Quick update - Car coming on quite good now all the panels are made the rear is finished and it's just the cab , floor and dashboard to do now :smile:

Blesvik
05-15-2010, 18:51
Wow!
Looks great!!
Can I have a test run when I visit you next month?:smile::smile::smile:

Jeff Carter
05-16-2010, 09:43
If it's ready sure you can test it :smokin:

We have some great plans for your visit should be a big fun weekend :beer:
and you are booked in to stay at a British pub :beer:

You need to mail me or call about what you wanted me to look for as i think Odd may have plans to put a large chunk of metal in the boot of the car too.

And i just booked the flights to come over to watch Formula Denmark can't wait for another cool weekend - Tommy don't forget our seats if your coming mate , we need them as us old boys are getting on a bit now :laughing: :laughing:

Tommy
05-16-2010, 12:43
I will not be in Denmark this time.. Im becoming a father that period you know:eyemouth::eyemouth:

I can try to send them with someone else...

Jeff Carter
05-16-2010, 14:41
Maybe Jorgan could take them for us - good luck with becoming a daddy again mate :smile:

Jeff Carter
06-24-2011, 15:06
Well my friends it's been a while coming but we have finished the car and it's going to have a photo shoot and article for the largest off road mag in the UK :smokin: and we test it for trials at this weekend too -


Just a shame about my mess up with the rules otherwise the car would be coming to your sand hills to play :( looking like this - maybe oneday i will build one for Formula with a wider roll cage !!

Jeff Carter
06-24-2011, 15:09
Instead it will look like this :smile: ready for Eurotrial

KJELLIS
06-24-2011, 15:11
Nice car:wink_animate:

Blesvik
06-24-2011, 15:32
Looks great Jeff!!
I hope I can see that article sometime!
Looking forward to meet you in august!:smile:

Geir
06-24-2011, 16:43
looks awesome mate!

Tommy
06-26-2011, 09:30
looks really good... will be great at Gjerstad Sladden, both with and without multipaddels

Jeff Carter
06-27-2011, 09:18
Tested the new car this weekend and lived up to our Art of Rolling name :laughing: yes i managed to do a double roll but with only small damage :smokin:

yeeeeeha

Tommy
06-27-2011, 09:20
and smiling.... he he

tjd
06-27-2011, 10:16
Yees - Is cool:smokin:

Jeff Carter
07-23-2011, 17:17
Engine change from the 4.0 RPI engine to a British built 4.6 John Eales engine 300 hp hope she goes okay :smile:


.

Blesvik
07-23-2011, 17:38
Nice!!!:smokin:

Geir
07-25-2011, 14:01
Tested the new car this weekend and lived up to our Art of Rolling name :laughing: yes i managed to do a double roll but with only small damage :smokin:

yeeeeeha

worked out very well .... nice ride with an awesome engine you got there !